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	<title>Comments on: internet explorer team chat</title>
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		<title>By: Marty Vance</title>
		<link>http://blog.ebrahim.org/2004/09/10/internet-explorer-team-chat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft is bluffing, or stalling, or something.  Every time they get asked about alpha transparency support, they whine about how much work it will be.  Maybe they have forgotten about their proprietary filter:alpha?

They also get asked about CSS2 support, which is the wrong question; instead we should ask &quot;when will IE get better HTML4, DOM0, CSS1, and DOM1 support?&quot;

MS also invariably throws out some token comment about how they listen to the needs of users.  Which users?  The IE team&#039;s family members who think Internet is spelled with a blue &quot;e&quot;, or the developers who have continually beg MS to implement better standards support for years?

Standards lead to a better user experience, and MS can deny it all they want until they buy every employee of theirs a 16 foot wide, bumperless, right hand drive, steered-by-foot-pedals automobile to drive to the Redmond campus every morning.  Until then, they are all hypocrites concerning standards.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft is bluffing, or stalling, or something.  Every time they get asked about alpha transparency support, they whine about how much work it will be.  Maybe they have forgotten about their proprietary filter:alpha?</p>
<p>They also get asked about CSS2 support, which is the wrong question; instead we should ask &#8220;when will IE get better HTML4, DOM0, CSS1, and DOM1 support?&#8221;</p>
<p>MS also invariably throws out some token comment about how they listen to the needs of users.  Which users?  The IE team&#8217;s family members who think Internet is spelled with a blue &#8220;e&#8221;, or the developers who have continually beg MS to implement better standards support for years?</p>
<p>Standards lead to a better user experience, and MS can deny it all they want until they buy every employee of theirs a 16 foot wide, bumperless, right hand drive, steered-by-foot-pedals automobile to drive to the Redmond campus every morning.  Until then, they are all hypocrites concerning standards.</p>
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		<title>By: BlogZiNet</title>
		<link>http://blog.ebrahim.org/2004/09/10/internet-explorer-team-chat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>BlogZiNet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Chat IE : Je vous ai compris !&lt;/strong&gt;

Comme le 8&#160;juillet dernier, je poste une rapide mise en forme du log du chat avec les ing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Chat IE : Je vous ai compris !</strong></p>
<p>Comme le 8&nbsp;juillet dernier, je poste une rapide mise en forme du log du chat avec les ing</p>
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		<title>By: Egon's Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.ebrahim.org/2004/09/10/internet-explorer-team-chat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>Egon's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Internet Chat with the Internet Explorer Development Team&lt;/strong&gt;

On the Mozilla ezine was a quick little article about a recent Internet chat with the development team from Microsoft working on the Internet Explorer browser. Posted in this blog are the chat logs so that you can read for...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Internet Chat with the Internet Explorer Development Team</strong></p>
<p>On the Mozilla ezine was a quick little article about a recent Internet chat with the development team from Microsoft working on the Internet Explorer browser. Posted in this blog are the chat logs so that you can read for&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg K Nicholson</title>
		<link>http://blog.ebrahim.org/2004/09/10/internet-explorer-team-chat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg K Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me again...

&quot;Q: Is there anyway you can &#039;secure&#039; IE users now before they runoff to firefox? Like maybe what can we hope in the next version of IE
A: Yes. Upgrade to Windows XP SP2. This is the most secure way to access the internet.&quot;

No, seriously. Are they that stupid or just lying?

&quot;Q: your a big company so can&#039;t you just make IE better than Firefox so people will just use IE again?&quot;

You&#039;d think so, wouldn&#039;t ya? :D
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me again&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Q: Is there anyway you can &#8217;secure&#8217; IE users now before they runoff to firefox? Like maybe what can we hope in the next version of IE<br />
A: Yes. Upgrade to Windows XP SP2. This is the most secure way to access the internet.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, seriously. Are they that stupid or just lying?</p>
<p>&#8220;Q: your a big company so can&#8217;t you just make IE better than Firefox so people will just use IE again?&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think so, wouldn&#8217;t ya? <img src='http://blog.ebrahim.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greg K Nicholson</title>
		<link>http://blog.ebrahim.org/2004/09/10/internet-explorer-team-chat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg K Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Q: Will we be getting better web standards for IE before Longhorn?
A: Hi Limit, We are certainly hoping to provide some improvements to CSS in the next release.&quot;

Wait a minute... IE-Longhorn apparently *will* have passable (or at least better) standards support. About bloody time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Q: Will we be getting better web standards for IE before Longhorn?<br />
A: Hi Limit, We are certainly hoping to provide some improvements to CSS in the next release.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wait a minute&#8230; IE-Longhorn apparently *will* have passable (or at least better) standards support. About bloody time.</p>
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		<title>By: Da1m0n</title>
		<link>http://blog.ebrahim.org/2004/09/10/internet-explorer-team-chat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Da1m0n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite interesting. Especially their repeated pleas of &quot;We&#039;re working hard on making IE better, everyday.&quot; Perhaps not hard enough? :-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite interesting. Especially their repeated pleas of &#8220;We&#8217;re working hard on making IE better, everyday.&#8221; Perhaps not hard enough? <img src='http://blog.ebrahim.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: berkut</title>
		<link>http://blog.ebrahim.org/2004/09/10/internet-explorer-team-chat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>berkut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My conclusion: IE would never change if it wasn&#039;t for Firefox. (I&#039;ve read only a few sentences :-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My conclusion: IE would never change if it wasn&#8217;t for Firefox. (I&#8217;ve read only a few sentences <img src='http://blog.ebrahim.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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